Confused...

[Sunshine]

Can someone tell me which lotions are "accelerators" & which are "amplifiers".

I've heard accelerator should be used in the morning after showering to prepare your skin for tanning later. And aplifiers should be applied just before tanning.

None of the products I've read about as accelerators seem to be used after shower/before tanning...can someone suggest some products by name...or do I just have the wrong idea here?

I'm currently using HempZ before tanning and HempZ Moisterizer after. Just can't seem to get very dark. Don't want to use any "cosmetic" lotions or anything that would turn my palms (or any other parts) orange...and lotions are Sooo expensive...don't want to waste my money on the wrong stuff...

Any advice is appreciated. TIA.

[Sheila]

Sunshine - the term ACCELERATOR simply means *get tan FASTER and keep it on your body LONGER then tanning dry*

Every brand has different levels of *Tanning Actives* that can bring the body to it's first levels of base tan -----> and beyond.

for most of us - the term 'accelerator' is used to discuss BEGINNER LEVEL lotions.
They focus on Hydration of the skin and use very little Tanning Actives.... depending on the price ~ the QUALITY of the oils and vitamins that deep condition the skin are of course - more spendy.

Beginner lotions with BRONZERS (both cosmetic and longer lasting DHA bronzers) are NOT (imho) a good idea as they confuse the results from the lamps. We tend to avoid all sales of bronzers to anyone until they have their base tans firmly established.

'Intensifiers' are lotions that presume the tanner is at the base level tan and wishes to go darker.... using a variety of formulas (including higher levels of tanning actives) they intensify the results from each session.

This is considered an Intermediate tanning level and is just peachy for many clients.

For those that NEED to be darker - they can use STIMULANT products and products with Higher levels of DHA bronzer (sunless chemical)....

Healthy - moist skin will tan if given the appropriate amount of non-burning sessions within the appropriate space between each session. The lotions should only assist the sessions - not BE THE SESSION.

What is your frequency in tanning? This may be more the issue then the lotions you are using.... I am assuming the product is Supre' (which I refuse to sell in my salon) but that will not stop me from being able to give so help here.

Sheila

[Sunshine]

I tan every other day (M,W,F) 3 days a week in a bed with a 20 max. I'm up to 14 mins. now, after 9 sessions...no burning experiences yet...trying to take this slow. I've used only Supre HempZ TanMax & the HempZ Moisterizer...because they were recommended by my salon & because my son had some of each he said I could try. I did buy a sample pkg. of Swedish Beauty Chocolate Silk yesterday but haven't tried it yet. What don't you like about Supre products...What others would you reccomend I try? thanks for you advice!

[jayell79]

Salon owners don't like Supre because Supre distributes to beauty warehouses & you can get them cheaper than at the salon. Personally I could care less, I'm not a salon owner. I LOVE Supre products!! Have not tried one I don't like, and my favorite is the Hempz line. I get great color from the Hempz max & love how soft it makes my skin. Everybody’s skin is different & what works for me, might not work for you. Other great Supre products you could try is Tatto & Smoke, both are good but I like Tattoo better.

[Sheila]

Well- I am going to assume you are REALLY fair skinned... perhaps even lighter than myself.... your schedule of frequency is GREAT - and not seeing your skin type - I will also assume that you are OK at only being at 14 mins after 9 sessions.

My reasons for not liking Supre actually extends to their Company's Policy on selling their products to Beauty Supply outlets that undercut my small business in way that harms my financial existence. The fact that they lied to the 20 thousand salon owners first does not endear them to me either..... I simply don't support any company that harms mine. I don't even allow their products to be used in my salon .... It really is a personal commitment of mine.

The SB Choc Silk is a nice lotion BUT another one that I would recommend that is slightly cheaper is their new Dangerously Dark... it has 2 kinds of bronzers (natural and dha) and uses a slight cooling formula.... the fragrence is beautiful and the moisturizing is fab. I think that the Choc. Silk may be a bit advanced for your exposure level at this time.

If you prefer to go bronzer free the Swedish Beauty Hemp Crème or Designer Skins Drama Queen are both good for your level of tanning and smell fab.

It is good to be cautious with your exposure time.... but you must remember - that without ASKING your body to produce MORE melanin secretions (by increasing the time appropriately) it will only REMAIN at the level it's at.

Hope this helps ~

Sheila

[Sheila]

Ahhhhhhh ..... Quote:Salon owners don't like Supre because Supre distributes to beauty warehouses & you can get them cheaper than at the salon. Personally I could care less, I'm not a salon owner. ....

Do you tan at home too Aimee?

No - you don't .... you actually have 2 salons you go to ....one that has an issue of ATO for you - I remember now.

Perhaps the level of service you get at this salon represents the lack of financial support you give them?

I know if I had clients supporting Diversion and not my salon - my prices or my services would have to change.....

As you are not a salon owner - and you are ok with supporting companies that actually CAUSE HARM to the salons in this country - it might actually be more equitable if you purchased a home bed.

This way - you could ensure that you were maintaining the equipment in a way that would lessen your odor .... and if your got bad lotions ~ well you are just a Beauty Supply Outlet away from some new stuff.


Sheila

[jayell79]

I just think that Supre makes good products & I use what works for me....
And just so you know my salon sells Supre (like LOTS of salons do) and I buy from them as well. I have not seen Supre at any 'beauty supply outlets' around here. Just because you don't like Supre does NOT me all their products are diverted. And yes I would love to own my own bed, wana buy me one? Nope, didn't think so.

[Sunshine]

Thanks for the advice jayell79 & Sheila...I do love the way the HempZ stuff makes my skin feel & Tattoo & Smoke were two others I was thinking of trying. I hadn't heard of the Dangerously Dark...so I'll look for that too. My salon carries SwedishBeauty/CalTan/Supre/ZoeGirl & some other lines...don't remember them all.

As far as skin type...I am kinda fair skinned, was toehead blond as a child...now more like dishwater blond...and blue eyed. I do burn outdoors if exposed for a long period with out sunscreen (1.5-2 hours) but I started going to the indoor salon at a point when I still had a good base tan from outdoors. Feel like I'm ready to try something more than just basic moisterizing lotions...just wasn't sure what to start with. I did try HempZ Hot last night...it didn't feel at all hot...couldn't tell the difference between that and the regular.

As far a price...I alway try to support my local bussiness, but when 6-8 oz. of lotion is priced at $50+ at the salon & $25 or less elsewhere...well, I know small business people need to make a living and all that...but to the customer it just seems excessive. Most of the lotions at my salon are priced OVER the listed retail...if they could price them halfway between list and online sources they would probably sell TONS MORE of everything...I'm willing to pay a little more than online just for the convience of being able to buy it at the counter in my local shop...but not DOUBLE and expecially NOT OVER LIST PRICE! Salon owners need to wise up...I think most customers would agree...they'd buy a lot more locally if the prices weren't so outrageous!

[jayell79]

Swedish Beauty makes some good stuff too. I like Amaretto & Hemp Cream. I don't care much for CalTan there is only one product of theirs I will use, Illuminate.

[Sheila]

Yeah - I just recently heard of a chain in my area that is charging $10 bucks OVER suggested retail for Cal Tan.... so not only do they command a LARGE discount from their SOURCE - but they are charging more then those of us that do NOT get that discount.....

Believe me - I have no blinders on to what some of MY peers are doing in this industry.... Just like I have no blinders on to Aime's Attitude ....

Buy your own bed Missy ~ I am here to help - not feed parasites.

Sheila

[jayell79]

MY ATTITUDE??!? I find you INCREDIBLY RUDE! ...parasite? whatever

[Sheila]

Great... well take a shower and see if that puts you in a better mood.... and perhaps help with the stench.

Sunshine - sorry you are getting in the middle of this B*tchSlappen.... really - I am interested in helping you... I am just not interested in letting Missy stomp her feet and spread her ignorance.

Sheila

[Sunshine]

Hey...I thought this was a place for Newbies to get good information...looks more like a SALON OWNERS GRUDGE MATCH...can't we all just get along???

[Sheila]

I am the only salon owner on this thread Sunshine. And I only tell you what is my honest opinion ....

newbies should be able to get GOOD information - if you feel I provided you with a misrepresentation of my level of knowledge or the fact that I will not support anything to do with Diversion - I apologize.

[Sunshine]

No Shelia...you seem knowledgeable enough...but you also seem to have an ax to grind with certain product vendors...I don't think this is the place to do that. Not with a Newbie who was just looking for help! (Where's a moderator when you need one!) That and you were DOWNRIGHT RUDE to jayell79!!! RUDE PEOPLE SUCK...I'M OUTA HERE!

[Sheila]

Well that is unfortunate.

You asked the question -

If you did not want the truth.... why did you ask me why?

Was it not abundently clear that I refused to sell the product that there was a very passionate reason why?

You need to not ask questions if you cannot handle the answers honey.

As far as Aime - she and I are on multiple threads bickering now.... Rude People may Suck - but Ignorant people are dangerous. I'd rather suck.

[njchica]

okay I'm coming in late on this one. There are 2 sides to this story and unfortunately, neither side will EVER change the other's mind.

Tanners are looking for the best possible price on lotions, sessions, etc... which is something that salon owners do when they are shopping for towels, lamps, cleaning products, etc. But when tanners shop in venues other than the salon, they are taking $$ out of the pockets of salon owners. Sheila is angry (and rightly so) at companies who sell directly to tanners at a price cheaper than what she pays for lotions. She loses that income from lotion sales and then has to make it up elsewhere (read=higher session prices)..... She is the one who educates her tanners about lotions and which ones are best, and then they can turn around and buy from somewhere other than her for 1/2 the price... so now she supports only companies whose products are not readily available in places other than her salon. I think we can all understand why.

I am a huge fan of Sheila's and she has taught me an incredible amount about lotions, tanning sessions, etc. I truly appreciate the time that she spends trying to help us, the tanners, learn more about how to tan effectively and safely. We tan for "fun"... b/c we like the way we look with a tan. She runs her salon as part of her livelihood. I'm sure you can understand why she is so passionate about lotion manufacturers who hurt her business.

[Diva Ree]

Quote:jayell79:
Salon owners don't like Supre because Supre distributes to beauty warehouses & you can get them cheaper than at the salon.

That is only partially true.

Many of Supre's products have been around for 10years+. And, they are in the same bottles they were in WAY back then.

From a salon owners point of view, their products have become stale. When nothing looks new, sales drop, the excitement fizzles. It's embarrassing to have someone walk in with a product they bought 6 years ago...and the same product is in the same packaging as it was way back then.

The ingredient chemistries have changed over the last several years. Do you want to buy a product with ingredients that worked well WAY back in the day, or do you want to buy a product that is making use of better ingredient mixtures?

[Sunshine]

Yes...I admit I'm ignorant...that's EXACTLY why I'm here in the "Newbie" section asking lots of questions. And if you go back and actually read my original question (maybe) you'll realize that I wanted to learn more about the MANY products that are offered...I wasn't looking for advice on which products are most profitable for salon owners!Or how salon owners feel about discount merchants. As a customer, I will use anything that works well for me...if I can get it from my salon at a reasonable price, I will. As far as opions go...like I said in my original post "any advice is appreciated" but you seem to think yours is the only opinion that should matter. Aime's advice was honet and unbiased and in a much friendly tone than your posts. You could easily have explained your concern for discount merchants without resorting rude comments to Aime like "parasite" "B*tchSlappin" "ignorant" "stench"...Gee, I'm gald I'm not a customer at your salon...you may be knowlegeable (tho it comes off more like KNOW-IT-ALL!) but you sure aren't very friendly...if you really need a soapbox for your "salon Owner's Attitude Problem" maybe you should take it to the Parking Lot...seems like that would be the place for it...maybe you're just having a bad day...whatever!!!



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[Bonnie]

Please people! Sunshine is a new member and asked a legitimate question; let's avoid the fireworks. Nobody gains from insults.

[Sunshine]

Thanks Bonnie...can we get this thread back to my original question ? Quote:
On 2003-11-20 11:52, Sunshine wrote:
Can someone tell me which lotions are "accelerators" & which are "amplifiers".

I've heard accelerator should be used in the morning after showering to prepare your skin for tanning later. And aplifiers should be applied just before tanning.

None of the products I've read about as accelerators seem to be used after shower/before tanning...can someone suggest some products by name...or do I just have the wrong idea here?

I'm currently using HempZ before tanning and HempZ Moisterizer after. Just can't seem to get very dark. Don't want to use any "cosmetic" lotions or anything that would turn my palms (or any other parts) orange...and lotions are Sooo expensive...don't want to waste my money on the wrong stuff...

Any advice is appreciated. TIA.
[ This Message was edited by: Sunshine on 2003-11-20 15:33 ]

[njchica]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 15:27, Sunshine wrote:
I wasn't looking for advice on which products are most profitable for salon owners!Or how salon owners feel about discount merchants.

sunshine, I was merely trying to help you to understand why Sheila's comments were so vehemently against Supre. It's nothing personal against a tanner, it's something she takes personally b/c the company is harming her small business.

and she did give you an excellent explanation about accelerators and intensifiers.

[Sunshine]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 15:11, njchica wrote:
>>>when tanners shop in venues other than the salon, they are taking $$ out of the pockets of salon owners. Sheila is angry (and rightly so) at companies who sell directly to tanners at a price cheaper than what she pays for lotions. She loses that income from lotion sales and then has to make it up elsewhere (read=higher session prices)..... Maybe Shelia and other salon owners should think about buying from those "other" sources too. Then they could pass the savings on to us (their customers) and everyone would gain...just a thought (I maybe be ignorant...but I'm not stupid..I learn REAL FAST...and as a business person, if I was aware of a cheaper source for the items I buy to run my business...I would buy from the cheaper source and pass at least SOME of the savings on to my customers. Salon owners need to wise up...any customer, in any type of store feels taken advantage of if they find out they just paid someone DOUBLE the "going rate" for any product. Shelia...How would you feel if you went to get your car repaired and the mechanic took one look at you and decided you probably don't know much about engines...then proceed to sell you the "Tripple Platinum Super High Output Mega" spark plugs @ $20 a piece (x8=$160)...then later you're at Walmart doing your shopping and you see the same spark plug on the shelf for $2 each. Would you go back to that mechanic again...I wouldn't!

[~*HoneyBee*~]

The economy is in a wreck financially right now. I am sure many uh'small business are hurting right now, and so are we as the consumer (that means the owners too). We all want to save our money and make it too, so we do what is good for us and our budget. I lost my $20.00 an hour job because of 9-11, and anyway I can save some of my husbands hard earned pay is o.k. with me.

I am sure if things start perking up in our system, so will the lotion sales in the tanning salons, but until then, some of us have to buy from auction sites or discount retailers. It's not that we don't like to buy from the tanning salons, some of us just cannot not afford too everytime.

On a personal note: I think Supre' rocks...Smoke Black is my favorite because the bronzer shows up on me. If you know of something similar let me know, but I have yet to find anything that give's the dark color Smoke Black does.

[Sheila]

Funny ~ the Ignorance comment was NOT directed at the Newbie but rather the Veteran member who felt it necessary to dance on my salon's grave with her comments about how much SHE doesn't care what happens to Salon owners...

The fact that Sunshine TOOK the comment personally can only show a weakness on her comprehension skills ....

Regardless of what the economy has in store for all of us - it is a simple fact that you cannot bring in your own booze to a resturant or your own oil to the auto shop....

Our cost of operations & ability to provide the excellence in service depends upon all areas of retail.... it would be easier not to care, not to take the time to educate and advise and trial clients ----- we'd see more people per day and would never care about the results cuz that would require TIME and EFFORT and KNOWLEGE....

So - for what it's worth Chica - I appreciate your input, but as a salon owner that works it 7 days a week --- I don't need to give anyone excuses for my opinions.

If sunshine feels she is being dissed ~ that is too bad. I only apologize once - she apparently did not absorp the implication.

[njchica]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 15:56, Sunshine wrote:
and as a business person, if I was aware of a cheaper source for the items I buy to run my business...I would buy from the cheaper source and pass at least SOME of the savings on to my customers.


This might make sense to us.... but remember, they have a certain amount of $$ that they have to make in order to remain profitable. If they make less money from lotions, then they inevitably will have to raise the prices of tanning sessions.

IMO, it all comes down to where would you rather spend the extra money--at your salon for lotions or at your salon for tanning sessions.

[Sheila]

But - perhaps a note to Sunshine on the ABILITY to command those discounts.... a little blurb from Business 101...

Small salons CANNOT buy in the quantities that Beauty and Online Diverters do....

So my dear - there is NO savings to pass on to you....

I sell @ the MSRP and I give my clients free tans for each $20 bucks they spend on a lotion - just to say thanks.....

No need to tell me how I should be saving YOU money until you actually pay my bills.

[cheyenne]

She's rude on every board she posts on.

[Sheila]

Just to the wee todds.

[njchica]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 16:32, Sheila wrote:
I sell @ the MSRP and I give my clients free tans for each $20 bucks they spend on a lotion - just to say thanks.....

I wish that my salon were that generous.... If salon owners would adopt such a reward program, it would be cheaper for tanners to buy their lotions from their salons.

[~*HoneyBee*~]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 16:25, Sheila wrote:
Regardless of what the economy has in store for all of us - it is a simple fact that you cannot bring in your own booze to a resturant or your own oil to the auto shop....


Yes, but we "can" bring our own lotions to the tanning salons, so until someone decides to regulate and control that I will contiue to do so.
I spend enough on the bed sessions alone and the little extra accessories...I am not a penny pincher when it come to that part. I want to tan in the best beds money can buy when I can afford too.

I wish a few of my favorite salons around here would offer a flex pay payment method like with a credit card. Then I would be more inclined to purchase lotions when I buy my sessions.

[Tpsyduck]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 16:32, Sheila wrote:
I sell @ the MSRP and I give my clients free tans for each $20 bucks they spend on a lotion - just to say thanks.....

I gotta say, that's a nice gesture Sheila, and I know your customers appreciate it, I'd love to have a deal like that at my salon

[~*HoneyBee*~]

Well, let me add to that last post of mine...I do buy from the salons when the lotions go on sale.

[Sheila]

Looks like the Virgina and Missouri folk would not last a day in my salon

I "do" regulate what happens in MY equipment .... I paid for it, I maintain it and I only want quality products used on it.

Should a client decide that they want to support a diversion site - that's ok.

That would remove the VIP status of their membership - which gets them free tanning with each purchase of packages... and then the loss of the free tanning from lotion purchases at our salon.... and yes - I DON'T give them FREE trial samples or offer any advice on their future purchases....

Guess it all comes out in the wash ~ huh?

Thanks Chica and Tpsy .... it works out really well for BOTH my salon and my clients .... even 'rude folk' know how to say thank you to a GOOD client

[njchica]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 16:42, ~*HoneyBee*~ wrote:
Well, let me add to that last post of mine...I do buy from the salons when the lotions go on sale.


my salon now only sells AG/SB/CG. I haven't bought a thing from them since they went exclusive... but I haven't bought anything from anywhere else either. (I still have 20-something lotions on the shelf) I am torn on what to do when I run out of lotion... or at least get down to 10 which to me will be like running out. I'll buy my beloved Swedish Hemp Creme and AG HOT from them, but I guess I'll have to look elsewhere for other products since they refuse to special order.

[Tpsyduck]

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On 2003-11-20 16:46, njchica wrote:
since they refuse to special order.

This is where I LOVE my salon, She carries a WIDE range of lotions, and she'll special order almost ANYTHING I want

[Tpsyduck]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 16:46, Sheila wrote:
Thanks Chica and Tpsy .... it works out really well for BOTH my salon and my clients .... even 'rude folk' know how to say thank you to a GOOD client


Cool Beans Shiela, your welcome! I've got to say, you do have a "Striaght Forward" attitude that kinda threw me off for a sec, but you do sound like a Great and Knowledgeable (sp) Salon owner, and one who looks out for her Clients, KUDOS!!

[njchica]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 16:52, Tpsyduck wrote:
you do sound like a Great and Knowledgeable Salon owner, and one who looks out for her Clients, KUDOS!!

I've said it several times... but I guess I'll say it again. Sheila once sent me a bottle of SPY for free to try b/c she and I were talking about what lotions would be good for my color, skin, etc...

I would gladly pay the $65 retail price to Sheila for a bottle of SPY b/c the information that she provides to me is WELL WORTH IT... unfortunately she doesn't stock it anymore and I've gone off of hot tingles... But the customer service that she provided was WELL WORTH the price of a lotion.

[~*HoneyBee*~]

Hmmmm...I wonder if other businesses feel the same about Wal-Mart? Not for buying lotions, but just in regard to everyday consumer merchadise? You think K-Mart or Target see's Wally World's low prices as diverting business away from them?
Maybe so, but hey that's America for'ya. Unless you are Bill Gates , you are going to face competition in your entrepreneurship. That which doesn't kill you only makes you stronger, right?
You sound like you have obviously developed tactics that keep your customers coming in.

It's nice to hear that you actually have little perks like that in your salon, and if your's was in my town I may just tan there, but see you are not in my town. So, please don't be upset with us that are out of your area because we buy from discounted sites. We all face different circumstances, and I sympathize with your position.

[diane5529]

Regardless of Sheila's 'generosity', I found her attitude to be appalling and quite immature. I would never support a salon with an owner with a complex that does not allow its customers to bring certain lotions and lose priviledges if they do. As far as I'm concerned, if I pay to tan in a salon, I will certainly bring any lotion I choose, regardless of where I purchased it.

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[njchica]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 17:16, diane5529 wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, if I pay to tan in a salon, I will certainly bring any lotion I choose, regardless of where I purchased it.

I often wonder how a salon can enforce a "banned lotion" list.... do they check purses? do they sniff their bodies to see if they applied the lotion at home prior to coming to the salon? do they stand outside the room and sniff for lotion scents? what if someone puts a different lotion into an "approved" lotion bottle?

[diane5529]

i wonder too. perhaps sheila can enlighten us.

[Tpsyduck]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 17:33, njchica wrote:
I often wonder how a salon can enforce a "banned lotion" list.. do they sniff their bodies to see if they applied the lotion at home prior to coming to the salon?

just the thought of this is too funny

[Sheila]

Diane ~ I am GOOD - but enlightening you is not in the cards or at least in my future.

Chica - we ask the client each time they check in - the lotion is noted in the daily tan notes - as when we free trial a lotion - we keep track of daily medication use and anything that is being used on the skin for that session.

Have people lied? Yes. As we are Members Only now - there are no issues with it.... in September we had 2 'new one timers' in one week RUIN the glass --- one with Baby oil and Iodine and the other with jewelry...

We have our lotion policy posted in the salon (front desk, rooms and on the New Member forms and our website) ... no hidden agenda - no forced sales ~ we choose to be strict to protect our equipment so that ALL our clients benefit from the pristine conditions of that glass.

Oh - should anyone choose to Not follow the salon policies - they need to find a new place to tan. There are no refunds. There are no exceptions. Fairly simple.

The majority of our 3000+ clients love coming here and understand WHY policies are in place.

Sheila

[diane5529]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 18:00, Sheila wrote:
Diane ~ I am GOOD - but enlightening you is not in the cards or at least in my future.

A rude response, as predicted! Your catty remarks are not needed. As to why the moderators are supporting this, I have no idea.

[CincyFan]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 18:00, Sheila wrote:
Diane ~ I am GOOD - but enlightening you is not in the cards or at least in my future.

Chica - we ask the client each time they check in - the lotion is noted in the daily tan notes - as when we free trial a lotion - we keep track of daily medication use and anything that is being used on the skin for that session.

Have people lied? Yes. As we are Members Only now - there are no issues with it.... in September we had 2 'new one timers' in one week RUIN the glass --- one with Baby oil and Iodine and the other with jewelry...

We have our lotion policy posted in the salon (front desk, rooms and on the New Member forms and our website) ... no hidden agenda - no forced sales ~ we choose to be strict to protect our equipment so that ALL our clients benefit from the pristine conditions of that glass.

Oh - should anyone choose to Not follow the salon policies - they need to find a new place to tan. There are no refunds. There are no exceptions. Fairly simple.

The majority of our 3000+ clients love coming here and understand WHY policies are in place.

Sheila


Sheila, I'm not trying to stir up any trouble but I am curious about this. How do you know that your tanners aren't showing you an empty bottle or refilling an approved lotion bottle with something else. How can you be so sure that they aren't lying to you? Do you really investigate them every time they come in? I'm just asking because I've never heard of a salon doing this and I know how shady people are. If someone wants to find a way to lie/cheat they will.

I hope this post wasn't offensive, I'm just nosy.

[Loco]

Sheila now banned from other sites for her erratic behavior now lands at Iamtan.

God help us all.

[njchica]

CincyFan, that was my same idea... it is tough to determine when if a sneaky tanner has refilled a lotion bottle or put her lotion on before going to the salon....

S~ what if a tanner comes in every day and says that they don't need lotion? or that they applied one of your approved lotions beforehand? just playing Devil's Advocate here.

[teresa]

I have actually said to clients......you have tanned 47 times since you bought that bottle......you are probably not using enough to get good results.

[CincyFan]

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On 2003-11-20 18:32, teresa wrote:
I have actually said to clients......you have tanned 47 times since you bought that bottle......you are probably not using enough to get good results.


Well, that definitely gets your point across. LOL

[Sheila]

Good question Cincy.... and for the most part (as chica will tell you) I am so upfront and honest with people that it is hard for them NOT to be honest right back... to my knowlege - there has only been ONE client that felt we were taking advantage of her.... after 3 weeks (and numerous visits to the local salons) she apologised for her behavior and asked if she could return as a member with us....

When Clients are treated with a lack of respect, lack of real concern for their results they tend to have 'chips on their shoulders' and they tend to be overly aggressive about their RIGHTS to buy and use what they want.

To that I say 'Godspeed'... to another salon or to a home unit - cause in reality... I DO KNOW that I am not amoung the majority of salon owners.... I have learned the hard way that not EVERYBODY loves this industry like I do....

I have no problem confronting anyone.

Surprized?

When a client tells us they don't use lotion - and the BED tells us otherwise ~ they get a chance to tell us about it.

Can my policies STOP people that need to be sneaky? Naaaah ~ but if they ruin the glass - they will pay for the damage. And if they ruin the relationship with us - that is also a price they pay.

"priviledges of membership" are EARNED. They do not come to folks like Diane simply cause she crosses the doorway.... if you CHOOSE to lose the priviledges - that is your choice.


**** I see I have yet ANOTHER fan from Ohio.... what is it with that state????

Sheila

[CincyFan]

Hey, not all of us in Ohio are bad!

[SexyKitty]

I think by tanning at my salon and buying thier tanning packages or minutes is supporting them enough. If they want to offer me a free tan with lotion purchace that would be great but they rarly do that at my salon. The best they do is give me 10% off which isnt that great. I buy my lotions where I can get the best price.

[njchica]

I love how S rewards her clients for buying lotion from her..... you shoudl HEAR HER when she speaks to her clients. Its amazing.

[Tpsyduck]

Chica, do yall live close to eachother?

[njchica]

no no Sheila is a salon owner in Minnesota... I am a tanner in NJ...

[~*HoneyBee*~]

No one can force us to stop buy lotions from discount retailers. I don't care how many petitions you get filled, you can never stop EBAY!!

[Sheila]

"If it has tires or testicles, you're going to have trouble with it." LOL that cracked me up!!!

and I agree Cincy.... I just happen to have an UNUSUAL amount of haters from that state...... are you really a Native or did some tires with testicles move you there??

Sexy K ~ again... I know that not all salons are into the whole 'loyalty building' process.... and from what I have heard - I cannot blame some folks for going ELSEWHERE to get their products. **** ~ I used to be against HOME BEDS but now I realize that some towns have NO decent tanning facilities and the people should not be supporting them with their hard earned money.

I cannot shoulder the responsibility for every OTHER salon. But I can say that for MINE - Diversion was hurting me immensely.... I took steps to 'reward' clients as a way of making them less eager to support those that WERE indeed harming my business.

Lotion is only a part of the service we provide. We are RESULTS oriented. We take the client's happiness very seriously. I also take being able to pay my rent seriously too. So - if I cannot convince you that it is far better to support MY salon (the place you want to tan at) then I must be doing something wrong.....


Sheila

[teresa]

More and more steps are being made daily to stop distributors from selling to the "wrong" people. Soon the only lotions that will be found outside of salons will be old discountinued stuff and low end brands. The quality products will continue to be sold throughout professional salons.

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[ This Message was edited by: teresa on 2003-11-20 20:13 ]

[Sheila]

Man - I HATE that hairy eyeball censor gif ......

How bout the sistas send my their deep thoughts via pm? Hmmmmmm?

[~*HoneyBee*~]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 19:58, teresa wrote:
More and more steps are being made daily to stop distributors from selling to the "wrong" people. Soon the only lotions that will be found on EBAY will be old discountinued stuff and low end brands. The quality products will continue to be sold throughout professional salons.


that's about the biggest joke if I ever heard one.

[Sheila]

Actually - not as funny as the one about the Rabbi, the Priest and the Evangelical Minister.... but perhaps we can share that one privately?

Teresa is telling the truth. For the Major brands ~ there is definitely major legal ramifications for Distributors to BREAK the contracts - (sure you are aware of the Hatfield case and Lotion Barn just to name a few).... and for the other crud that IS available - who cares?

We only allow Professional Level lotions to be used in our equipment and so far - I have not been struck down by lightening


Sheila

[teresa]

I'm with ya on that one Sheila.......we to only allow Professional level lotions in our salons and support the manufacturers that are making more strides in keeping their products available in professional salons. We have not been struck down by lightening either

[Sc0tt]

I think what Shelia has been posting is very rude....yes you voiced your opinion, but you also (njchica knows what im talking about) "Personally Attacked" Jayell79 for supporting Supre. Just because you come here and all the mods like you because your a salon owner, whoppdee do, that doesn't, in my opinion, give you more justice then any other tanner on this board that DOESNT own a salon. Oh and by the way, I LOVE the smell of Jayell's ATO

[njchica]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 20:43, ForeverTan27 wrote:
but you also (njchica knows what im talking about) "Personally Attacked" Jayell79 for supporting Supre.

? ? ? ? ?

[Sc0tt]

http://www.iamtan.com/viewtopic.php?topic=7475&forum=12

That topic should explain it. I understand I was being rude in the linked post above, but how is Shelia not being just as mean as me, and she gets NOTHING, NADA, done to her...we need fair mods!

[Sheila]

No Ohio Forever - I did not attack her for using Supre'.... I did discuss her attitude about NOT CARING what Diversion (of any lotion) does to the Small Business Salon Owners...

Tomorrow I will start a thread where I will type really slowly and we will see if we can build up the comprehension levels of a few of my new friends here ~

oh tay???

I don't need no stinking badges or 'justice' to post MY opinions darlin' .... and neither do you.

When you post a comment - YOU OWN the rebuttal that will come your way.

I personally think it is rude of you to make a post about 'personal attacks' when you really have no clue as the to total content of the post. Cuz if YOU DID - you could not have posted what YOU did.

Apparently - you are also confused about Moderators 'liking me' - I assure you ~ most do not. But as this is NOT a popularity contest - and I have been ANSWERING the QUESTIONS you have asked ~ does this mean I have to care if you don't like my answers? Or my style?

~ So sorry to disappoint.




Sheila

[njchica]

Sheila is a valued member of this boatd... she spends her time to TEACH US THE TANNERS... we all appreciate her. ForeverTan, when you get over your ego, you'll appreciate what she has to say.

[Sc0tt]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 21:03, njchica wrote:
ForeverTan, when you get over your ego, you'll appreciate what she has to say.


and to think NJChica is a mod.
I think solid needs to think about getting a new mod for Love it or shove it! [ This Message was edited by: ForeverTan27 on 2003-11-20 21:08 ]

[Kristygal]

Wow, this is ridiculous.

[Summers Tan]

I don't appreciate Any member bashing another.I think there are a few enlarged egos on the board.

[Sc0tt]

i'm done with this topic. some people make me sick!

[njchica]

well i'm sure solid will take a 14-year old's opinion into consideration.....

Sheila is giving us good info. Just be quiet and absorb it!!!!

[Summers Tan]

Yes,if you take the time to weed the good info out from the rest of the chip on the shoulder,self righteous chatter.

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[ This Message was edited by: Summers Tan on 2003-11-20 21:56 ]

[~*HoneyBee*~]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 21:14, njchica wrote:
well i'm sure solid will take a 14-year old's opinion into consideration.....

Sheila is giving us good info. Just be quiet and absorb it!!!!


Yes there you go peopole...conform to the nazis...lol

[jayell79]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 17:00, njchica wrote:
Quote:
On 2003-11-20 16:52, Tpsyduck wrote:
you do sound like a Great and Knowledgeable Salon owner, and one who looks out for her Clients, KUDOS!!

I've said it several times... but I guess I'll say it again. Sheila once sent me a bottle of SPY for free to try b/c she and I were talking about what lotions would be good for my color, skin, etc...

I would gladly pay the $65 retail price to Sheila for a bottle of SPY b/c the information that she provides to me is WELL WORTH IT... unfortunately she doesn't stock it anymore and I've gone off of hot tingles... But the customer service that she provided was WELL WORTH the price of a lotion.
Oh, I see what's going on here! Sheila kisses butt w/ free lotion & in return gets to talk however she pleases to people? Nice. I NEVER did anything to her, or her stinking 'business.' I Do Not see how me buying Supre products From MY SALON hurts her (or anyone else's business) in Any Way.

[Sheila]

Chica - pleeeeese ~ no need to ruffle the feathers here..... I appreciate your comments but why become a target for their barbs???

I know that you can lead to horse to water but cannot stop it from behaving like a *******... and I am not HERE for them....

I think HoneyBee is not as 'Holy' as her photo gallery would lead one to believe....

and remember my statement on the "Love of Ohio" - - I swear ~ it would not matter if I spelled as bad as her or even if I wore a Halo ~ it's in the water!

The fact of THIS thread should have been easy enough done in 2-3 posts on the QUESTION asked.....

Attitudes regarding diversion (replying to the Sunshine Question) was where Aime thought she could speak on behalf of ALL SALON OWNERS.... and since I don't get to do that - and can only speak about my salon and my feelings about what diversion does to small business owners it snoballed from there.

I wonder how many souls here really are Tanniables.... the level of play seems very familiar to me ~ but whatever.... small minds cannot be enlarged without surgery and I have not gotten my degree

Party On Garth!

[Sheila]

Hey Aime.... before you look any more stupid ~ roll it down a notch- ok?

It was your ignorance that started this mess ...and really - I personally could not care if you DRANK supre' and had an affair with the UPS man that delivers your online purchases....

Knock yourself out.

But the question was asked of me - WHY do I not sell supre....

I answered it.

Now - blow away.

[~*HoneyBee*~]

Shelia, I ain't Holy none of us are yet, only Jesus is...don't go there.

[Tpsyduck]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 21:32, jayell79 wrote:
Oh, I see what's going on here! Sheila kisses butt w/ free lotion & in return gets to talk however she pleases to people? Nice. I NEVER did anything to her, or her stinking 'business.' I Do Not see how me buying Supre products From MY SALON hurts her (or anyone else's business) in Any Way.

Jay, I don't get free lotions from anyone, only trades with members.

[jayell79]

Ok Sheila you are RIGHT! I MUST BE FLIPPING STUPID because I don't understand any of this & here is why
Reason #1. I have no idea why my comment about liking Supre & buying it from my salon has anything with me "speaking on behalf of ALL SALON OWNERS"
#2. What I ever said that was ignorant
#3. What I ever did to deserve to be made fun of and treated this way
#4. How I started this whole mess to begin with. IMO you started it w/ the name calling & immaturity
#5. Where did I ever say I bought diverted products? I didn't.
GAME OVER YOU WIN! You've found me out I'm a stoping, ignorant parasite sucking the live out of the tanning industry.

[Sheila]

Ahhhhhhh ~ I see.... waiting for the last minute to be 'good'?

No problem ~ I don't profess to be anything other than what I am.

Jesus supported his local small businesses ~ But I think he may have even helped out one friend with Diverted Loaves and Fishes - but since no Fishermen or Bakers were harmed by that miracle - it was chalked up as a good thing

Sheila

[~*HoneyBee*~]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 22:04, Sheila wrote:
Ahhhhhhh ~ I see.... waiting for the last minute to be 'good'?

No problem ~ I don't profess to be anything other than what I am.

Jesus supported his local small businesses ~ But I think he may have even helped out one friend with Diverted Loaves and Fishes - but since no Fishermen or Bakers were harmed by that miracle - it was chalked up as a good thing

Sheila


Gosh...go back to **** Satan.

[Sheila]

Church Lady Speaks ~

Zero grasp of the bizzare.

C ya there

[jayell79]

Quote:
On 2003-11-07 15:54, njchica wrote:
ForeverTan, personal attacks are not appropriate here on the site.

???

[~*HoneyBee*~]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 22:23, jayell79 wrote:
Quote:
On 2003-11-07 15:54, njchica wrote:
ForeverTan, personal attacks are not appropriate here on the site.

???


LOL...Jayell I love you

[jayell79]

never mind the Great Wicked Witch and her Evil Flying Monkeys!

[BrownJen]

As I said in the other thread, Please, stop the bickering and name calling, NOW!! It's offensive and won't be tolerated on this board!! We ALL need to respect each other.

[jayell79]

Ok I undstand what you mods are saying but WHY NOW? Why let her get away with this all day? Why wait until things really blow up to take action? Was it something I said?

[sunbunny]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 23:45, jayell79 wrote:
Ok I undstand what you mods are saying but WHY NOW? Why let her get away with this all day? Why wait until things really blow up to take action? Was it something I said?


It's not you. And I don't know why this has gone on all day. I apologize.

[BrownJen]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 23:45, jayell79 wrote:
Ok I undstand what you mods are saying but WHY NOW? Why let her get away with this all day? Why wait until things really blow up to take action? Was it something I said?

Check your pms!!

[diane5529]

I have no idea whatsoever as to why this behavior was tolerated the ENTIRE day. Not only tolerated, but SUPPORTED. Anyone who protested it received rude and sarcastic remarks, not only from Sheila, but from moderators as well. This has gotten truly ridiculous.

[Blondie41280]

I AGREE. The mods didnt seem to care today about all the bickering going on here till it TOTALLY got outta hand....

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[CincyFan]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 21:37, Sheila wrote:

I wonder how many souls here really are Tanniables.... the level of play seems very familiar to me ~ but whatever.... small minds cannot be enlarged without surgery and I have not gotten my degree

Party On Garth!



I'm not trying to sound ignorant but...

What is a Tanniable? Am I missing something?

[CincyFan]

Quote:
On 2003-11-20 19:57, Sheila wrote:
"If it has tires or testicles, you're going to have trouble with it." LOL that cracked me up!!!

and I agree Cincy.... I just happen to have an UNUSUAL amount of haters from that state...... are you really a Native or did some tires with testicles move you there??



Thanks, I can't claim credit to my quote, it just happens to ring quite true for me! LOL

And, yep I am an Ohio native and proud of it! And there's others on this board that are decent people as well. You know what they say about a few bad apples...

Oh, and it was those darn testicles that tried to drag me away. But I fought it with a vengeance.

[BrownJen]

Quote:
On 2003-11-21 01:39, diane5529 wrote:
I have no idea whatsoever as to why this behavior was tolerated the ENTIRE day. Not only tolerated, but SUPPORTED. Anyone who protested it received rude and sarcastic remarks, not only from Sheila, but from moderators as well. This has gotten truly ridiculous.

I apologize. Not all of us mods were on at the time this was happening. This should not have gone on as long as it did.

[sunbunny]

Quote:
On 2003-11-21 04:25, BrownJen wrote:
Quote:
On 2003-11-21 01:39, diane5529 wrote:
I have no idea whatsoever as to why this behavior was tolerated the ENTIRE day. Not only tolerated, but SUPPORTED. Anyone who protested it received rude and sarcastic remarks, not only from Sheila, but from moderators as well. This has gotten truly ridiculous.

I apologize. Not all of us mods were on at the time this was happening. This should not have gone on as long as it did.

I was only on for a few minutes during the afternoon. I never checked this forum. I would never have guessed all this crap was going on.

[njchica]

diane, jayell, etc... I'm sorry if you felt that I was being sarcastic to you. I didn't mean it to sound that way. The only one who annoyed me and brought out the worst in me was ForeverTan... he seems to have complaints about a few mods. and I should know better than to go down to that level, but I'm not perfect nor will I ever be.

Like I said, I'm partial to S~. I'm also pretty used to her "posting style" so it doesn't even phase me anymore. That being said, I hope that the members don't get offended and leave just as I hope that S doesn't get offended and leave. I'm sure we can all manage to get along.

[Sc0tt]

Quote:
On 2003-11-21 05:34, njchica wrote:
diane, jayell, etc... I'm sorry if you felt that I was being sarcastic to you. I didn't mean it to sound that way. The only one who annoyed me and brought out the worst in me was ForeverTan... he seems to have complaints about a few mods. and I should know better than to go down to that level, but I'm not perfect nor will I ever be.

Like I said, I'm partial to S~. I'm also pretty used to her "posting style" so it doesn't even phase me anymore. That being said, I hope that the members don't get offended and leave just as I hope that S doesn't get offended and leave. I'm sure we can all manage to get along.


I respect what all the other mods have been posting in this forum. NOTICE (njchica im talking to you....) how they are apologising saying this wouldn't have gone on long enough if they were around, you were around the whole DA*N TIME! what did you do? sat here and let shelia do her Beachin! thats all! I'm tired of you and "Your Man". Go run off with "your man" and be a mod somewhere else.
Oh and by the way, take your mans hair cut with you!!!!!!

[Sc0tt]

Oh and if you guys dind't know, you already lost a lot of members from recent problems, why don't you try and save a few...and be nice?

[Tpsyduck]

I'm going to apologize as well. I WAS online all day, so I'll say no excuses for myself on this one, Only I apologize

[Bonnie]

Thanks guys for your apologies. There are some raw feelings among some members so that helps. Might I suggest you lock this thread if it resumes in the manner it did yesterday?

[teresa]

Not going to wait and see what happens to lock it.....locking it now. There is some wonderful info here amongst all the crap, I hope you all can muttle through it.