New spray-tan at Nashville????

[SOCALTAN]

Anyone who went to the show check out the spray on booths? Was Magic Tan there? Any new ones?

[darkerplus]

I was there. Saw some stuff old, some stuff new, some stuff very blue.

Mystic was there with the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders.
Mist-On was there with Dr. Laughlin and his lawyers.
Magic was in the back hiding from the lawyers.
Miracle Mist had a booth there, but snuck off to a hotel accross the street to tan invited guest - and I wasn't invited.
Two distributors had side-by-side Sun Sprtz and Summer Image, loving referred to as the idential twins.
Hollywood Tan did not have their 6 second booth there, but their three evil step sisters, Sun Sprtiz, Summer Image and Miracle Mist, made up for that.
Airbrushers were everywhere, some had signs "Will airbrush for food". But they were proud. Wouldn't take any of my two-for-one spray booth tan coupons.

[sunraysun]

I went to the show and it was a bit slow this year. Mystic was doing their usual Dallas Cowboy thing, there was a couple of new machines (not worth mentioning) and Magic were there. Magic Tan had a great booth and they were packed, I heard they had over 100 orders. So much for hiding...

W

[UCANTAN2]

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On 2003-11-14 12:58, sunraysun wrote:
I went to the show and it was a bit slow this year. Mystic was doing their usual Dallas Cowboy thing, there was a couple of new machines (not worth mentioning) and Magic were there. Magic Tan had a great booth and they were packed, I heard they had over 100 orders. So much for hiding...

W


I was at Nashville too, I had seen what was supposed to be Spray booths, Yikes! ... I still firmly believe MagicTan is the Winner, hands down!! I've tried all of these booths and still can't understand why any one else tries! Sorry, but the Bronze Mist was a joke. I still love the MagicTan and so does so many of those who try it ... we love it ... I can speak for at least 22 of us who have tried all the machines out there ... MagicTan, you have something man! Can't wait until I open my new salon and have 2-4 more of you ... you know what people want!

P.S. Despite what Mystic and Mist-on have been saying about you, I know for certain it's only because you have a great machine and they are afraid of losing Market shares to you ... you go guys - You're the best!!

Having a salon over 10 years and being in business over 18 years, I now see the silly scare tactics Laughlin and his Mystic sibling are using ... pretty tacky guys, pretty tacky!

[crazy44]

Is the show worth going to? I'm gonna try to go next year.

[SOCALTAN]

What kind of show deals did Magic Tan offer?

[darkerplus]

Maybe they were tanning across the street and I wasn't invited there either.

[UCANTAN2]

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On 2003-11-15 14:58, darkerplus wrote:
Maybe they were tanning across the street and I wasn't invited there either.


MagicTan had a mobile unit parked outside for those wanting to tan ... everyone was invited as far as I knew. My girlfriends and I went out their and they all tanned ... since they were too busy to tan before leaving. Hands down, MagicTan is simply an incredible Tan. I now see why their competitors are afraid of them and say such ridiculous things about them just to try and sell their booths. Nashville is usually the better show so if you're looking to buy, I suggest going; but beware of the tallll stories the sales people tell you just so you'll buy their product. Check everything out before signing.

[Baked]

I too went to the show and put an order in for Mystic. I had pretty much decided before hand, but wanted to wait for the show special and check out whatever "newbies" were there. Love the new option on Mystic for dual solution. And, I must say I was a little "star-struck" by the PR they have received. I stood there watching that Friends clip thinking......when has the tanning industry ever gotten this kind of recognition?

I looked at Magic but was probably a little biased. I was very turned off by some of their marketing materials I have seen advertising it as "seriously fast, seriously safe." They have also sold to several hair salons, a sunless only salon, and even a paintball store in my area. Needless to say, all of their markeing is geared to "the safe way to tan." Not good!

I like the fact that Mystic has stayed true to their claim of only selling to tanning salons. Their marketing is very complimentary to UV salons. I also think it produces the best tan of the units I have tried (ETS, Magic, SunSpritz).

I was waiting to see the claws come out at the show with all the new competition.....but was surprised. I talked to three or four Mystic reps at the booth and not one of them had a negative word to say about the competition. They pointed out the differences between each booth....but not a venemous word was uttered...about anyone. I was also impressed by that --- professionalism in what has seemingly become a little seedy. So I find it curious that UCANTAN2 reports hearing negative comments. What has your experience been with them?

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[RainCloud]

I didn't go, but I'm not into spray booths.

[UCANTAN2]

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On 2003-11-15 20:26, Baked wrote:
I was waiting to see the claws come out at the show with all the new competition.....but was surprised. I talked to three or four Mystic reps at the booth and not one of them had a negative word to say about the competition. They pointed out the differences between each booth....but not a venemous word was uttered...about anyone. I was also impressed by that --- professionalism in what has seemingly become a little seedy. So I find it curious that UCANTAN2 reports hearing negative comments. What has your experience been with them?

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Without getting into a l l the details here, I’ll just touch upon a few points during our trip to Nashville. For starters, many of us on here knew a while back that Mystic was not the first booth asked to be on the Friends episode. The other booths refused due to the FDA issues … so I guess bad publicity is better than no publicity at all huh? But now, as it stands, one of the networks in Michigan visited several salons (coincidentally Mystic owners) and had a hidden camera checking into the salons views on the FDA … the short of it is, not one salon appeared to be concerned by the FDA statements, so now the solution Mystic uses is supposed to be up for investigation … wish I knew more, but I can’t state something in it’s entirety on what I was only told. Guess you could look it up, it was aired in Michigan on channel 10 just last week.

Well, several of us salon owners [13] from my area and a few more from the Tennessee area we met up with attended the show to obviously look at the new equipment/products. With that, several of us the first and second day found our tanning journey to be a fun yet contentious one.

And so, our journey begins with one of the gals coming back with she liked this, this and this and hey … “One of the guys I was asking what the difference between Mystic and Magic was said not to buy a Magic cause they have some serious issues to contend with” She of course asked what he meant and he said, “trust me you don’t want to buy their machine … they won’t be around much longer” Another trio that came down with us went up to the booth and was approached by someone wanting to help them when they too asked a similar question about Mystic and all the other booths out there, they of course stated they had this supposed magnetic spray and they were better than the other guys and they [salon owner] definitely didn’t want to buy any of the other booths out there since they are all being sued and in a matter of time won’t be around” The gal asked how he knew this and he said believe me people are losing their salons for buying other booths with this lawsuit going on” Okay, what’s with the scare tactics? And who lost their salon for buying a competitors booth? I don’t find this to be a professional move at all. I’ve heard some pretty trashy things during my time in the business world, but this tops them all.

Certainly it caught many of our attentions, however once we went over to the other booths asking questions, they laughed it off and said “we’ve been dealing with this for so many months, Mystic and Mist-on have been using every trick in the book to sell their booths … some we believe have settled for a certain $$ just to get Laughlin out of their lives and others are fighting tooth and nail because they know they haven’t done anything wrong.

And yes, as a concerned owner of a MagicTan booth, I had to know further what was going on with them. They too chuckled and said not to worry about a thing, my salons will not be affected even if Laughlin were to serve me personally, (they have indemnification papers from their attorney’s stating they are not infringing on his patent) he’s doing this to everyone to try and scare the MagicTan buyers into buying their booth. (I was aware of the lawsuit on the company, but the individual thing got my attention) I was even able to speak with a salon owner Laughlin tried this with and she appeared to be very unaffected. However, how many were affected by their stories and underhanded scare tactics? I don’t do business this way and thought once settled in, I would certainly vent on this forum. So, what appears to be “seemingly seedy” is just that, although I have an entirely different reason for thinking so. By the way, I find it odd one would have to speak with three or four reps at one booth to ask a question? I only found it necessary to speak with one rep each time I approached a booth. Sounds strange to me.

I too am interested in anyone hearing anything.

[Baked]

Well, thanks for clarrifying. I guess I'm still confused. First about the Friends thing. I don't know how you could conceive by the furtherst stetch of the imagination that anything about the Friends episode was "bad publicity"?!? I don't think I would be boasting if Magic Tan was asked first and refused! I bet there isn't a Magic Tan owner that wouldn't have enjoyed being the focus of that show (The One With Ross's Tan). In the long run, it benefits all sunless tanning, so it is somewhat of a moot point.

I too had heard about the Detroit story. From what I heard, it reflected poorly on the individual salons for not making the info on the FDA recommendations known to clients. That doesn't have anything to do with Mystic, Magic, InstaTan....that's salons that need to follow suggested guidelines. I agree, it is not a positive spin on sunless tanning....but that would be ANY sunless tanning booth -- not just Mystic. I don't think it is wise or ethical to imply that only Mystic solution is "under investigation". The FDA recommendations apply to ALL sunless solutions and providers. When one of us skins our knee...everyrone is affected, just like we all benefit from positive recognition.

Other than that, your claims about defamation by Mystic seem weak at best. Mystic does have MagneTan (electrostatics) and the others don't. Obviously I believe this makes a differnence or I wouldn't have dropped $30,000 on theirs instead of Magic. Also, whether or not the patent litigation holds any water....it is a fact that Mist-on is suing everyone. Mist-on's web-site even posts the details of each suit. If Magic Tan indemnifies everyone, then great....but you can't accuse people of shading tactics for stating fact. If someone says, "How is your booth different", well 1) MagneTan 2) License from the Patent Holder. Sounds like two good legitimate differences to me.

I made two visits to both the Magic and Mystic booth. I met with different reps each day. Everyone was very nice! I also ran into a couple who work for Mystic during dinner one evening, and I ended up asking them a few questions I hadn't thought of before. Finally, in the sales room I met several different people -- some salon owners buying more booths, some salon owners upgrading their booths, and even a couple of the DC cheerleaders on break. Could any one of the people I spoke to have answered all of my questions? I'm sure they could. (Well, maybe not the cheerleaders). I just enjoyed meeting everyone and getting a level of comfort that I would enjoy the relationship with whomever I decided to do business with. It also impressed me that current customers of Mystic were pleased enough to add new units.

If both booths work well.....great. Competition keeps everyone looking to improve. Everyone at both companies was very friendly, I just chose Mystic for the reasons previously stated.

If you're pleased with your Magic, then great. Everyone's happy.


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[Tan U Tan Me]

ucantan2 my dear you need to stop knocking other units and do a little more research into the FDA statements and all this other b/s like the quote "mystic was the only booth to be allowed on friends due to the FDA" that is so far from being true. The Bronz Mist is the only unit that offers a 10 million dollar product insurance with every booth that is because of the solution company they use allows the FDA to come in twice a month to oversee the making of our solution not to many companys do that. As far as Laughlin goes there is not to much he can say about our unit we had a conversation with him and his lawyers at the show and might I say the crazy doctor seemed impressed cause none of our features compare to his unit.I dont have a bad thing to say about any units on the market but I will say im not paying 30k for a unit knowing that Laughlin recieves a minimum of 5k per mystic and magic that are sold

[darkerplus]

Help me UcanTan2. You seem to know a lot about Magic Tan. Rumor has it that Magic distributors pay something like 10 grand for exclusivity for a certain area, and get 10 grand for every Magic booth sold in that area. That's a whopping 30% cut. Is that true, or even close to true?

[UCANTAN2]

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On 2003-11-19 12:25, Tan U Tan Me wrote:
ucantan2 my dear you need to stop knocking other units and do a little more research into the FDA statements and all this other b/s like the quote "mystic was the only booth to be allowed on friends due to the FDA" that is so far from being true. The Bronz Mist is the only unit that offers a 10 million dollar product insurance with every booth that is because of the solution company they use allows the FDA to come in twice a month to oversee the making of our solution not to many companys do that. As far as Laughlin goes there is not to much he can say about our unit we had a conversation with him and his lawyers at the show and might I say the crazy doctor seemed impressed cause none of our features compare to his unit.I dont have a bad thing to say about any units on the market but I will say im not paying 30k for a unit knowing that Laughlin recieves a minimum of 5k per mystic and magic that are sold


TanuTanMe dear, you need to do a little more research yourself. The reason Laughlin isn't worried about your machine is, yes your machine does not compare to any of them out there and that is why I and I believe another person on here knocked your machine. Hey, if I could get the others that knocked your machine to post on this forum I would, but one can only do so much. And two, Laughlin gets 3K from Mystic and Zippo from Magic ... this is why Magic is fighting Laughlin cause they don't believe they've done anything wrong. And ... since you obviously haven't been doing this long, as it appears, you shouldn't have a whole lot to say about the booths out there. Do your research dear and then respond, other than that ... I personally will say the Bronze mist is YUK, I'd be afraid of the wind blowing and it falling down; and as far as the Mystic, I know what type of tan I received first off, I know what the customers say that continue coming into my salon also, so I'll stick by customers on that one. But more so after hearing those nasty things Mystic had to say about other booths, I'll certainly stick to my guns now.

And no ... I did not write that Mystic was the only one allowed on Friends due to the FDA ... what are you smoking? I simply stated that other booths were asked, but because of the FDA issue, they declined.

[UCANTAN2]

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On 2003-11-20 07:58, darkerplus wrote:
Help me UcanTan2. You seem to know a lot about Magic Tan. Rumor has it that Magic distributors pay something like 10 grand for exclusivity for a certain area, and get 10 grand for every Magic booth sold in that area. That's a whopping 30% cut. Is that true, or even close to true?


Dang darker.., ya got me on that one, Although I do know they own their own territories. But that seems like an awful lot for them to make on a booth... Guess I'll have to come out and ask on that one.