Weight Loss

[white2dark]

Has anyone seen or tried the weight loss pills that Anna Nichole used to loose all of her weight. It is called Trim Spa. I just wondered. I read about it, but you know how that is. It is www.trimspa.com
let me know any feedback. Thanks

[njchica]

Trim Spa contains ephedra.... so does Stacker, Diet Fuel, Hydroxycut, Xenadrine, etc...

that herb was just banned by the FDA and it is almost impossible to obtain ephedra-containing diet products nowadays.

[wetkissez]

I suppose they're just like all weight loss pills and don't work. People are amazed to see she lost almost 100lbs and she took those. Alot of them don't realize that she has a personal trainer, tons of money and the ability to have any kind of plastic surgery she needs. Any diet pill you look on will more than likely say that with diet and EXERCISE in combination with these pills.. you can lose..yada yada yada

[laynie]

hydroxycut in canada is ephedra free and has been for a little while. i take them once in a blue moon if i feel i need a little energy boost. the thing is, these pills don't do the work for you. they give you the motivation and start the process of losing the weight

[wetkissez]

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On 2004-01-16 13:33, njchica wrote:
Trim Spa contains ephedra.... so does Stacker, Diet Fuel, Hydroxycut, Xenadrine, etc...

that herb was just banned by the FDA and it is almost impossible to obtain ephedra-containing diet products nowadays.


The old formulations, yes, but the new TrimSpa and assorted diet pills contain no ephedra. Alot of them are now using Green Tea extract in place of it.

[wetkissez]

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On 2004-01-16 13:38, laynie wrote:
hydroxycut in canada is ephedra free and has been for a little while. i take them once in a blue moon if i feel i need a little energy boost. the thing is, these pills don't do the work for you. they give you the motivation and start the process of losing the weight


You might as well just take a sugar pill because diet pills really don't do much for you. Ephedra increased heart rate, which in turn gave you a tad more energy which in turn made you move alot more.. but not enough to cause anything significant. I've taken numerous nutrition courses and done alot of research on these types of things.

[Bonnie]

Agreed; diet pills might give a short term loss, but only systemic lifestyle changes (ie. less and healthier food and more exercise) can accomplish long-term results.

[TanPimp]

I take diet pills, and I really do believe some of them work good. What you have to realize is its a supplement though, it helps you lose weight but won't do it for you. If anyone wants to takea weight loss supplement I'd reccommend Advocare MNS PLatinum or Biotest Hot-Rox

[laynie]

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On 2004-01-16 13:42, wetkissez wrote:
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On 2004-01-16 13:38, laynie wrote:
hydroxycut in canada is ephedra free and has been for a little while. i take them once in a blue moon if i feel i need a little energy boost. the thing is, these pills don't do the work for you. they give you the motivation and start the process of losing the weight


You might as well just take a sugar pill because diet pills really don't do much for you. Ephedra increased heart rate, which in turn gave you a tad more energy which in turn made you move alot more.. but not enough to cause anything significant. I've taken numerous nutrition courses and done alot of research on these types of things.

is that why it was banned? is it now classified as a drug?

[~*HoneyBee*~]

Advocare is good stuff.

[wetkissez]

Yes.. it's caused a # of deaths over here in the States.

[laynie]

bonnie, i wanted to ask what is a good weight lifting excercise for the arms? i'm staying with 5 pound weights because i don't want to creat much muscle, but i'm not sure what excercising are helping. i basically want the work the underarm flab and the bicep.

[TanPimp]

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On 2004-01-16 13:47, laynie wrote:
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On 2004-01-16 13:42, wetkissez wrote:
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On 2004-01-16 13:38, laynie wrote:
hydroxycut in canada is ephedra free and has been for a little while. i take them once in a blue moon if i feel i need a little energy boost. the thing is, these pills don't do the work for you. they give you the motivation and start the process of losing the weight


You might as well just take a sugar pill because diet pills really don't do much for you. Ephedra increased heart rate, which in turn gave you a tad more energy which in turn made you move alot more.. but not enough to cause anything significant. I've taken numerous nutrition courses and done alot of research on these types of things.

is that why it was banned? is it now classified as a drug?

I don't think its banned yet, but it will be soon. There is stuff out there a lot better than ephedra anyways

[sugarpie]

Low-carb is an easy way to lose weight. I also take green-tea extract everyday along with all the B vitamins, vitamin A, vitamin C, and calcium.

I used to wear a size 14/16 and I wear a size 8/10 now.

[laynie]

it's interesting to see how something can progress. cocaine used to be in coca cola, and also used to be used by dentists as it numbs anything it touches. it's interesting how these effects aren't tested BEFORE they are put on the market.

[laynie]

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On 2004-01-16 13:50, sugarpie wrote:
Low-carb is an easy way to lose weight. I also take green-tea extract everyday along with all the B vitamins, vitamin A, vitamin C, and calcium.

I used to wear a size 14/16 and I wear a size 8/10 now.


excellent! i fit into a size 3/4 the other day. i swear, a tear came to my eye!

[sugarpie]

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On 2004-01-16 13:51, laynie wrote:
it's interesting to see how something can progress. cocaine used to be in coca cola, and also used to be used by dentists as it numbs anything it touches. it's interesting how these effects aren't tested BEFORE they are put on the market.


that's why I never took anything with ephedra or ma huang in it...I just had a bad feeling about it.

[TanPimp]

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On 2004-01-16 13:50, laynie wrote:
bonnie, i wanted to ask what is a good weight lifting excercise for the arms? i'm staying with 5 pound weights because i don't want to creat much muscle, but i'm not sure what excercising are helping. i basically want the work the underarm flab and the bicep.


It's actually very hard for women to easily put on muscle, so go heavier. Do curls with dumbells and barbells, and close grip pench presses, cable pushdown,s and skull crushers. If you need to know how to do any of those exercises just do a google search

[wetkissez]

They have banned it in IL. We're the 1st state to do so. It's been off the store shelves for a few months now.

[sugarpie]

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On 2004-01-16 13:52, laynie wrote:
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On 2004-01-16 13:50, sugarpie wrote:
Low-carb is an easy way to lose weight. I also take green-tea extract everyday along with all the B vitamins, vitamin A, vitamin C, and calcium.

I used to wear a size 14/16 and I wear a size 8/10 now.


excellent! i fit into a size 3/4 the other day. i swear, a tear came to my eye!

try to keep it that way...it's easier to maintain your weight than it is to lose it. I weighed 98 pounds when I got married. [ This Message was edited by: sugarpie on 2004-01-16 13:54 ]

[Bonnie]

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On 2004-01-16 13:50, laynie wrote:
bonnie, i wanted to ask what is a good weight lifting excercise for the arms? i'm staying with 5 pound weights because i don't want to creat much muscle, but i'm not sure what excercising are helping. i basically want the work the underarm flab and the bicep.


Sorry, I didn't spot this! Stay with the same weights for now and just increase your reps. like 5 sets of 10. As Tanpimp said, you can try bicep curls and other toning exercises that you can get from Google or a good training guide. If you want a bit more muscle (which I like but a lot of women don't), just increase the weight and maybe use barbells instead of handweights. Send a PM if you want.

[laynie]

thanks everyone thankfully my dad used to be a weight lifter, so he'll be able to show me how to do these properly i just don't like to ask him to help me with lifting because then he'll set up an entire schedule :S

[Sc0tt]

i don't believe in any weight loss pill to this date. i think their bad for you either way: A) take these, do no form of work out or diet and loose rapid weight or B) take these and eat good and workout. their both bad for you, and can cause terrible side effects

[TanPimp]

Are you a doctor now forevertan?

[Sc0tt]

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On 2004-01-16 19:48, TanPimp wrote:
Are you a doctor now forevertan?

no, but if you listen to what the FDA says they are not healhty in any form.

[wetkissez]

The FDA doesn't know what they're talking about half the time. They're trying to regulate Herbals and Vitamins now. C'mon... do we really need to go to the doctor to get a prescription for Vitamin C?

[Sc0tt]

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On 2004-01-16 21:28, wetkissez wrote:
The FDA doesn't know what they're talking about half the time. They're trying to regulate Herbals and Vitamins now. C'mon... do we really need to go to the doctor to get a prescription for Vitamin C?

i think thats dumb, too, but i think the FDA knows whta their talking about..don't you? no offense, just my opinion

[wetkissez]

The FDA knows what they're talking about half the time like I said. You can't throw out a blanket regulation on ALL herbals because of Ephedra.

You need to remember, just because someone has a certain job or holds an office, doesn't mean they know everything. There is always someone out there who knows 10 times more.
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Since light travels faster than sound, is that why people seem bright until you speak to them?[ This Message was edited by: wetkissez on 2004-01-16 21:32 ]

[TanPimp]

the FDA doesn't even regulate supplements, so you are wrong forevertan

[Sc0tt]

i never said they did regulate supplements. i said they regulated diet pills (meaning products like Xenadrine, TrimSpa, etc). I wasn't talking about protein stuff, like creotine, stuff for LIFTING. I meant weight loss.......and in some states pills with ephedra are banned and in some they aren't. it all depends where you live.

[BronzeGlowAlicia]

My mom used Dexatrim and lost a lot of weight she told me. This was when I was really little though so I dun remember what happened after she stopped the pill.

At my old hair/tan salon.. a girl that worked there said she took *herbalife* or something and when she got off the pill....she gained it all back.

Is that what happens when you stop taking a weight loss pill?

Also..is it safe for say me *15 y/o * to take an all natural weight loss pill?

[TanPimp]

Diet pills are supplements. The FDA is a federal agency, so they aren't going to ban something in only certain states. The reason people gain the weight back when they get off weight loss supplements is because they are lazy, and want results from doing no work. They deserve to be fat. Just because a supplement is all natural doesn't ean anything. IN all honesty I don't think any weight loss supplement will work unless you live healthy and exercise.

[tiger tan]

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On 2004-01-16 13:49, wetkissez wrote:
Yes.. it's caused a # of deaths over here in the States.


And so have cigarettes, alcohol, gangs, and stupidity. You don't see the goverment banning these things.

[TanPimp]

The minute they ban alcohol, I'm out of here!

[ladyboss]

Years back my Mom used to always be trying all different "diet pills" and my Dad used to always tell her when he would catch her eating junk "It's not an eraser"
For myself, I try to keep it simple .....eat healthy and excercise and drink a lot of water.

[Sc0tt]

Tanpimp - yes they do work even if you eat wrong and do no exercise. my brothers friend takes these to this date...she takes like 2 a day and shes a twig. she doesn't work out, she smokes, she eats whatever she wants and shes a twig.

[Blondie41280]

Lucky her is all I gotta say. I was doing the whole diet pills and no exercise in the beginning and saw no results. But everyone is different. But now that I have been working out everyday im back to my regular size.

[TanPimp]

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On 2004-01-17 11:01, ForeverTan27 wrote:
Tanpimp - yes they do work even if you eat wrong and do no exercise. my brothers friend takes these to this date...she takes like 2 a day and shes a twig. she doesn't work out, she smokes, she eats whatever she wants and shes a twig.


The reason she's a twig has nothing to do with diet pills. I have a friend who is a twig. He eats over a pound of beef a day, and eats pretty much whatever he wants. He takes no diet pills and he is still really skinny! Your metabolism is a big part of it.

[~*HoneyBee*~]

Well, if he eats over a pound of beef a day, that's probably why he's a twig.

[TanPimp]

Eating a pound of beef a day is the easiest way to gain weight!

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[~*HoneyBee*~]

Sure, if you eat all the other junk with it. Beef is all protien, iron and natural fats. There are no carbs in it for your body too fight with. You keep feeding your body all the natural fats that it wants without the carbs, and you won't gain a pound. Your body knows it's getting the fat it needs, so it won't store up any excess.

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Got SVT? Yeah, me neither.[ This Message was edited by: ~*HoneyBee*~ on 2004-01-17 11:54 ]

[Bonnie]

In the end, your metabolism is ALL of it.

[BronzeGlowAlicia]

So uh back to my question.. is okay for a 15 yr old to take a diet pill?

[~*HoneyBee*~]

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On 2004-01-17 13:28, BronzeGlowAlicia wrote:
So uh back to my question.. is okay for a 15 yr old to take a diet pill?


I wouldn't. Fifteen seems a little young to be doing something like that your body. One is still growing at that age, and that excess fat may be what the body needs. If your not extremely over weight, I wouldn't worry to much. Just cut out the junk and refined sugars and flours, and it will come off naturally.

[TanPimp]

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On 2004-01-17 11:53, ~*HoneyBee*~ wrote:
Sure, if you eat all the other junk with it. Beef is all protien, iron and natural fats. There are no carbs in it for your body too fight with. You keep feeding your body all the natural fats that it wants without the carbs, and you won't gain a pound. Your body knows it's getting the fat it needs, so it won't store up any excess.

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Got SVT? Yeah, me neither.

[ This Message was edited by: ~*HoneyBee*~ on 2004-01-17 11:54 ]

Actually you are wrong, you put on muscle with protein, not carbs. Sure you need some carbs, but all bodybuilders get bigger by eating about 60% protein in their diets.

[TanPimp]

If a 15 year old needs weight loss supplements, something is definately wrong. You need to be more active, or eat right or something. I know when I was 15 I did so many sports I could pretty much eat whatever I wanted

[~*HoneyBee*~]

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On 2004-01-17 13:32, TanPimp wrote:
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On 2004-01-17 11:53, ~*HoneyBee*~ wrote:
Sure, if you eat all the other junk with it. Beef is all protien, iron and natural fats. There are no carbs in it for your body too fight with. You keep feeding your body all the natural fats that it wants without the carbs, and you won't gain a pound. Your body knows it's getting the fat it needs, so it won't store up any excess.

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Got SVT? Yeah, me neither.

[ This Message was edited by: ~*HoneyBee*~ on 2004-01-17 11:54 ]

Actually you are wrong, you put on muscle with protein, not carbs. Sure you need some carbs, but all bodybuilders get bigger by eating about 60% protein in their diets.

Uhhh...you need to go back and reread that. I wasn't talking about gaining muscle, I was talking about fat storage.

[TanPimp]

Well I was saying how eating beef was a quick way to gain weight, and you disagreed! protein builds muscle, muscle weighs more than fat.

[~*HoneyBee*~]

I'm an Atkins' warrior, of course I disagree. I ate beef everyday for 6weeks and lost 25lbs. I've plateaued now, but I'll break through that soon enough.

[Bonnie]

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On 2004-01-17 13:28, BronzeGlowAlicia wrote:
So uh back to my question.. is okay for a 15 yr old to take a diet pill?


I don't think it's a good idea.

[BrOnZeDbOmBsHeLl]

I can eat whatever I want and not gain a pound. For now I have a real good metabolism but I'm sure that will change in a few years so I need to start cutting back.

[~*HoneyBee*~]

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On 2004-01-17 14:41, BrOnZeDbOmBsHeLl wrote:
I can eat whatever I want and not gain a pound. For now I have a real good metabolism but I'm sure that will change in a few years so I need to start cutting back.


My metabolism was pretty average, but it only seems to have slowed down since I started having kids. Now, I have to watch everything I eat, or it goes straight to my belly and waist almost over night it seems.[ This Message was edited by: ~*HoneyBee*~ on 2004-01-17 14:46 ]

[Sc0tt]

Actually TanPimp, she was pretty chunky without the weight pills. Now shes a twig, and i mean like skinnier then Christina. She used to be more like..i don't know hard to explain it, but she was chunky!

[Sc0tt]

I can eat anything I want an not gain and ounce, lucky me!

[Bonnie]

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On 2004-01-17 15:32, ForeverTan27 wrote:
I can eat anything I want an not gain and ounce, lucky me!


It's a great feeling while it lasts (it doesn't!)

[Sc0tt]

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On 2004-01-17 15:39, bonnie wrote:
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On 2004-01-17 15:32, ForeverTan27 wrote:
I can eat anything I want an not gain and ounce, lucky me!


It's a great feeling while it lasts (it doesn't!)
darn don't tell me that!! just kiddin

[wetkissez]

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On 2004-01-17 08:23, tiger tan wrote:
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On 2004-01-16 13:49, wetkissez wrote:
Yes.. it's caused a # of deaths over here in the States.


And so have cigarettes, alcohol, gangs, and stupidity. You don't see the goverment banning these things.

I know but how are you going to ban gangs or stupidity or even alchohol? Being in a gang isn't illegal. It was alot easier for the IL govt. to take something they actually had control over and ban it. Go figure.

[wetkissez]

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On 2004-01-17 14:40, ~*HoneyBee*~ wrote:
I'm an Atkins' warrior, of course I disagree. I ate beef everyday for 6weeks and lost 25lbs. I've plateaued now, but I'll break through that soon enough.


Atkins is not a very healthy way to diet. Just think, you're eating all the protein you want now, but 15 years down the road when you're arteries are clogged because of it you'll regret it. Carbs aren't bad for you. There are carbs in fruit and veggies!

You can have a bit of everything every day as long as you moderate it and exercise. No need to cut anything out.

[wetkissez]

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On 2004-01-17 15:32, ForeverTan27 wrote:
Actually TanPimp, she was pretty chunky without the weight pills. Now shes a twig, and i mean like skinnier then Christina. She used to be more like..i don't know hard to explain it, but she was chunky!


Ever hear of anorexia or bulimia? She's probably taking the pills and not eating or throwing up if she does eat. It's called an eating disorder, not a magic pill.

[sugarpie]

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On 2004-01-17 19:37, wetkissez wrote:
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On 2004-01-17 14:40, ~*HoneyBee*~ wrote:
I'm an Atkins' warrior, of course I disagree. I ate beef everyday for 6weeks and lost 25lbs. I've plateaued now, but I'll break through that soon enough.


Atkins is not a very healthy way to diet. Just think, you're eating all the protein you want now, but 15 years down the road when you're arteries are clogged because of it you'll regret it. Carbs aren't bad for you. There are carbs in fruit and veggies!

You can have a bit of everything every day as long as you moderate it and exercise. No need to cut anything out.

Sorry, but you haven't done your research at all.

Eskimos lived on nothing but whale blubber for long periods of time and the event of heart disease was almost non-existent until the typical American carb-filled diet invaded their lifestyles.

Almost ever culture around the world that exists TODAY on primarily meat, and only small amounts of grain and fruits when the gettings good, is a culture that has almost no incidence of heart disease.

It irks me to no end that people just wanna say what they hear and take it as the Holy Grail, rather than doing research in REAL MEDICAL JOURNALS, and forming an original opinion.

By the way, a typcial Atkins diet menu consists of 2 to 3 cups of dark leafy greens a day and veggies like green beans...also, after your 2 week induction (which is the time frame when you body purges itself of the massive amounts of accumulated carbs/sugars) people on the Atkins diet begin to re-introduce fruits such as strawberries, raspberries, and blueberries into their diet.

Unless you're a marathon runner, you are most likely eating about 5 times the carbohydrate that your body requires for energy.

KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO THE UNUSED CARBS??? They turn to fat that clogs your arteries, and they break down into an excess of sugar that leads to diabetes.

There are medical journals dating back 100 years where a doctor hit upon what he named "The Neandertal Diet" where people ate mostly meat...his research showed they ALL lost weight, and he himself followed the diet into his lates 90's when he died of old age.

Reading is fundamental.

[cupcake65]

so you can live on bacon and grease and sausage and all that.you wont get heart disease..high chloresterol..high blood pressure etc???

[TanPimp]

Poeple can live on meat, but stuff like bacon will clog your arteries. It has to be lean meat

[~*HoneyBee*~]

I agree with sugarpie...You should probably read the book, wetkisses. It teaches you how to eat before refined foods and the government food guide pyramid game into existence. It's not strictly protein either, and shame on those who have deemed it as such. Atkins style of eating will not only lower your cholesterol, but it will also cure heart disease, and lower your blood pressure if it's a problem.
The only way you are going to have clogged arteries in 15 years, is if you eat all the transfats along with it, which is an atkins' no no anyway. Natural fats are perfectly healthy for you, and most meats have the perfect amount of saturated fat, to keep your cholesterol in check.
Yeah, I eat veggies all the time, but the difference in those carbs vs. the other is that they are good for you. Atkins is also ideal for those with any type of diabetes because nothing you eat has a dramatic impact on your insulin. When you raise your insulin you increase your chances of storing fat.

And, for the record...NO Atkins' will not damaged your kidney's. If you have a preexisting kidney problem, then you can have your doctor modify the atkins' style menu for you.

[~*HoneyBee*~]

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On 2004-01-17 20:32, TanPimp wrote:
Poeple can live on meat, but stuff like bacon will clog your arteries. It has to be lean meat



THAT'S NOT TRUE!!! They are natural fats!!! not transfats!! Transfats are man made and that is a factor that clogs your arteries. It's in your breads, and snack foods, margerine...etc.

My cholesteral is perfect, and I eat bacon and sausage all the time. I trim the fat off of nothing.

SugarPie...your input would be great on this. You know more than me.

[cupcake65]

i know all that ive read all of the books..suzanne somers is along the same line too...they all say you can eat bacon eggs sausage etc..i know it cant be good for long term health..moderation maybe not so bad..im with pimp on the well balanced diet..and i understand that this works for alot of people but i dont have a problem eating healthy..i prefer it..

[cupcake65]

im not knocking it..im just saying its not for me..and i do stay away from refined sugars..white breads pastas rices etc...

[~*HoneyBee*~]

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On 2004-01-17 20:39, cupcake65 wrote:
im not knocking it..im just saying its not for me..and i do stay away from refined sugars..white breads pastas rices etc...


Then you are already pretty much doing it...

[sugarpie]

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On 2004-01-17 20:27, cupcake65 wrote:
so you can live on bacon and grease and sausage and all that.you wont get heart disease..high chloresterol..high blood pressure etc???


I eat bacon maybe once a week, sausage rarely...and grease?? Well, I never go out of my way to "eat grease."
I love steak...

My dad went on it 4 years ago...when he started, he was about 50 pounds overweight, had high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and was a borderline ty[e II diabetic.

Now, 4 years later, he is a perfect weight, has perfect blood pressure, perfect cholesterol levels, no diabetes, and is healthier than he's ever been in his life.
His doctor was SO IMPRESSED, that he himself went on the Atkins diet.

That's proof enough for me, hon. To see my almost 70 year old dad with no signs of heart disease and the energy of a kid.

[sugarpie]

yes, absolutely it is the trans-fatty acids that clog your arteries. It is so complex, yet so imple if you just do the research...all I can say is to read up on it...not just atkins, but the whole low-carb way of life and it's benefits, why's, hows, etc.

You cannot possibly make a valid point without researching all sides.

[TanPimp]

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On 2004-01-17 20:36, ~*HoneyBee*~ wrote:
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On 2004-01-17 20:32, TanPimp wrote:
Poeple can live on meat, but stuff like bacon will clog your arteries. It has to be lean meat



THAT'S NOT TRUE!!! They are natural fats!!! not transfats!! Transfats are man made and that is a factor that clogs your arteries. It's in your breads, and snack foods, margerine...etc.

My cholesteral is perfect, and I eat bacon and sausage all the time. I trim the fat off of nothing.

SugarPie...your input would be great on this. You know more than me.

These natural fats you talk about are actually staurated fats, which raise your cloresteral and clog your arteries. Not as much as trans-fats, but they still do it

[TanPimp]

if your fat at 15 something is wrong

[~*HoneyBee*~]

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On 2004-01-17 21:14, TanPimp wrote:
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On 2004-01-17 20:36, ~*HoneyBee*~ wrote:
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On 2004-01-17 20:32, TanPimp wrote:
Poeple can live on meat, but stuff like bacon will clog your arteries. It has to be lean meat



THAT'S NOT TRUE!!! They are natural fats!!! not transfats!! Transfats are man made and that is a factor that clogs your arteries. It's in your breads, and snack foods, margerine...etc.

My cholesteral is perfect, and I eat bacon and sausage all the time. I trim the fat off of nothing.

SugarPie...your input would be great on this. You know more than me.

These natural fats you talk about are actually staurated fats, which raise your cloresteral and clog your arteries. Not as much as trans-fats, but they still do it

Sugarpie, he still isn't getting what we are saying. I think I give up.

[sugarpie]

Honeybee...some people are lemmings. They hear one thing their entire lives, and they will never question it. Let lemmings be lemmings, I say.

I am happy to be a person of high enough intellect to research and make my own decisions based upon my findings.

We could point out all the "healthy" things that the US govt. has touted for years and years, only for them to "take back" everything they said about it and tell you how horrible it is for you now. LOL

But the low-carb principles go back to the beginning of time, when people had to actually work for their grains, their fruits, etc.
What they did manage to grow, they sure as hecked worked it off in their labors.

This is no longer the case in a world where we can buy ANYTHING we want, and we never have to move a handful of dirt to have it.

C'est la Vie...

[Mrc4608]

Please remember that ppl have different opinions on everything. Getting catty will get you nowhere. Keep things pleasant.

[~*HoneyBee*~]

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On 2004-01-17 21:20, sugarpie wrote:
C'est la Vie...


Yup...that's life.

[TanPimp]

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On 2004-01-17 21:20, ~*HoneyBee*~ wrote:
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On 2004-01-17 21:14, TanPimp wrote:
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On 2004-01-17 20:36, ~*HoneyBee*~ wrote:
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On 2004-01-17 20:32, TanPimp wrote:
Poeple can live on meat, but stuff like bacon will clog your arteries. It has to be lean meat



THAT'S NOT TRUE!!! They are natural fats!!! not transfats!! Transfats are man made and that is a factor that clogs your arteries. It's in your breads, and snack foods, margerine...etc.

My cholesteral is perfect, and I eat bacon and sausage all the time. I trim the fat off of nothing.

SugarPie...your input would be great on this. You know more than me.

These natural fats you talk about are actually staurated fats, which raise your cloresteral and clog your arteries. Not as much as trans-fats, but they still do it

Sugarpie, he still isn't getting what we are saying. I think I give up.

I don't care what you say, if you eat a lot of animal fat, it will make you fat and clog your arteries. I'm not a lemming, its not that I've heard everything my whole life. Lets compare bodies and we'll see who knows more about nutrition

[sugarpie]

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On 2004-01-17 21:20, salonpro wrote:
Please remember that ppl have different opinions on everything. Getting catty will get you nowhere. Keep things pleasant.



Sorry salonpro!

I tend to defend my well-found beliefs like a tigress...I can tend to get a little be-otchy! LOL Apologies!

[TanPimp]

This is straight from the usda website:

Fats contain both saturated and unsaturated (monounsaturated and polyunsaturated) fatty acids. Saturated fat raises blood cholesterol more than other forms of fat. Reducing saturated fat to less than 10 percent of calories will help you lower your blood cholesterol level. The fats from meat, milk, and milk products are the main sources of saturated fats in most diets. Many bakery products are also sources of saturated fats. Vegetable oils supply smaller amounts of saturated fat. On the Nutrition Facts Label, 20 grams of saturated fat (9 percent of caloric intake) is the Daily Value for a 2,000-calorie diet

Partially hydrogenated vegetable oils, such as those used in many margarines and shortenings, contain a particular form of unsaturated fat known as trans-fatty acids that may raise blood cholesterol levels, although not as much as saturated fat.

[sugarpie]

Good reading!
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0871319845/northmyrtlebe-20


(and tanpimp, comparing bodies of a male college kid who admittedly spends most of his time working out, to a female who has given birth to 2 children isn't sound science at all.)

You admit to drinking copious amounts of alcohol, she eats a lot of fat...we'll have to wait it out to see which is more detrimental...but I already know despite what ANYONE has to say on the subject.

Shalom.

[sugarpie]

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On 2004-01-17 21:43, TanPimp wrote:
This is straight from the usda website:

Fats contain both saturated and unsaturated (monounsaturated and polyunsaturated) fatty acids. Saturated fat raises blood cholesterol more than other forms of fat. Reducing saturated fat to less than 10 percent of calories will help you lower your blood cholesterol level. The fats from meat, milk, and milk products are the main sources of saturated fats in most diets. Many bakery products are also sources of saturated fats. Vegetable oils supply smaller amounts of saturated fat. On the Nutrition Facts Label, 20 grams of saturated fat (9 percent of caloric intake) is the Daily Value for a 2,000-calorie diet

Partially hydrogenated vegetable oils, such as those used in many margarines and shortenings, contain a particular form of unsaturated fat known as trans-fatty acids that may raise blood cholesterol levels, although not as much as saturated fat.



DUHHHHH! And how many times had the USDA changed their minds about sh*t like this? How many times have they CHANGED THE FOOD PYRAMID???

Whatever...you do your thing, and others will do theirs...
your way might be right to you, but it's absoltely not right to everyone...just deal with it.

[TanPimp]

She's only 3 years older than me, and I know plenty of women who have had kids and are in good shape. I used to work with a female body builder who had 3 kids!

[sugarpie]

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On 2004-01-17 21:48, TanPimp wrote:
She's only 3 years older than me, and I know plenty of women who have had kids and are in good shape. I used to work with a female body builder who had 3 kids!


First, She's not a bodybuilder that I know of.

Second, Females hold onto more fat than men (get out your junior high sex ed book to refresh yourself about the "hows" and "whys" of this.)

Lastly, I hope you keep working off all those carbs...you would def. not be an attractive fat guy.

[~*HoneyBee*~]

Hmmm...the Europeans eat a lot of animal fat too. They don't have nearly all the problems with high blood pressure, heart disease and diabetes like us Americans do. They don't have nearly as much of a weight problem in their population either. The only country that is starting to show recent signs of this is France, and that's becasue there is a growing number of American fast food places opening up in record number.

[~*HoneyBee*~]

ANd, by the way tanpimp. I am 5'10" and I weighed 250lbs. after I had my second child. I now weigh 155lbs., and I am almost at my goal weight again. My cholesterol is perfect and my skin is radiant. Thank you Dr. Atkins.

[sugarpie]

and I am five foot even and wore a size 16 and now wear an 8.
My last cholesterol check (about a month ago) was so low that my dr.'s exact words were, "My God, what are you eating?" I have a total cholesterol level of 121. Awesome, in case you have no idea about these things. My blood pressure is perfect, also not the "usual" for people with spinal cord injuries, and the heart medicine I have had to take the same does of for many years due to damage as the result of my accident, has now been cut into half of the original dose, thanks to my way of eating.

I'll take my way over ALL THE OTHERS I've tried anyday...these include: General, well-rounded diet, Low-fat, low-fat/high protein, vegetarian, and as a last ditch effort, vegan.

Low-carb is the only one that I have gotten visible results AND medical results from.

I second that big ole "Thanks!" to Dr. Atkins.

[~*HoneyBee*~]

Wow Shelly...My sister-in-law's brother went on Atkins because of his high blood pressure problems. He had such success with it, the doctor had to keep cutting back the dosage of his meds and then finally he got off of it, and has no problems anymore.

[wetkissez]

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On 2004-01-17 22:01, ~*HoneyBee*~ wrote:
Hmmm...the Europeans eat a lot of animal fat too. They don't have nearly all the problems with high blood pressure, heart disease and diabetes like us Americans do. They don't have nearly as much of a weight problem in their population either. The only country that is starting to show recent signs of this is France, and that's becasue there is a growing number of American fast food places opening up in record number.


If you've ever actually been to Europe, you'd know the majority of them aren't overweight because of one thing and ONE thing ONLY.. their portion sizes are HALF what ours are!! They eat pasta, breads, pastries, meat and fast food. Even the fast food restaurants out there don't have the same serving sizes we do out here.

The only reason people go on special diets is because they've eaten badly all their lives and wake up one day to find they're overweight with health problems so they find the quickest fix out there. Yes, Atkins and various other diets will help you take weight off quickly but it's proven that the quicker you take the weight off, the more will come back after the diet.

The key to PROPER weight loss is to eat anything you want in moderation, don't deprive yourself and exercise, exercise, exercise!! You don't need all these bullsh*t specialized fad diets!

BTW.. my cholestorol levels are perfect too and I certainly eat what I want... in moderation. [ This Message was edited by: wetkissez on 2004-01-18 16:37 ]

[~*HoneyBee*~]

They don't have all the processed foods in Europe like we do either by the way. Sure, exercise is an important key, but if you are not eating correctly it's not going to benefit you in your weight loss efforts. And,yes I have been to Europe. I have family in Denmark.

[wetkissez]

Are you kidding me? They certainly do have the processed foods.
If you're going to eat nothing but junk and exercise, it's better than eating junk and NOT exercising.

[~*HoneyBee*~]

Like I said they don't have them like we do here...Meaning it's not in such a big abundance. Yeah, they have them, but they are also different.

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Got SVT? Yeah, me neither.[ This Message was edited by: ~*HoneyBee*~ on 2004-01-18 16:52 ]

[SassyKat]

I would never take any diet pill. I just try to control my sweets and watch my portion size.

[wetkissez]

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On 2004-01-18 16:51, ~*HoneyBee*~ wrote:
Like I said they don't have them like we do here...Meaning it's not in such a big abundance. Yeah, they have them, but they are also different.

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Got SVT? Yeah, me neither.

[ This Message was edited by: ~*HoneyBee*~ on 2004-01-18 16:52 ]

They have just as much a chance as being overweight as we do here. The thing is that they are shown the proper way to eat and it is ENFORCED from a young age. They grow up knowing portion sizes and healthy foods. We here have gotten lazy with our kids... it disgusts me when parents let their kids eat whatever they want or doesn't make them go outside and play instead of sitting in front of the T.V.

My kid will be just as I was when I was younger.

[~*HoneyBee*~]

My kids love veggies, and I am thankful for that. I refuse to buy all the commercialized junk food on regular basis. My kids are not allowed pop either. My nextdoor neighbor irks me because she gives her 2 year old daughter pepsi in a sippy cup all the time. Not only is it bad for her teeth, but it can cause bladder problems too.

[sugarpie]

I'm so glad there are perfect people in this world who have all the answers to everything.

Since some of them post on here, can I please know the reason for our existence...?

[Sc0tt]

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On 2004-01-18 18:21, ~*HoneyBee*~ wrote:
My kids love veggies, and I am thankful for that. I refuse to buy all the commercialized junk food on regular basis. My kids are not allowed pop either. My nextdoor neighbor irks me because she gives her 2 year old daughter pepsi in a sippy cup all the time. Not only is it bad for her teeth, but it can cause bladder problems too.

Argh!!! I am a bad kid. I drink like 3 pops a day and don't eat very healthy besides when my mom makes dinner. She cooks 5 times a week, sometimes less.. Mon-Thurs and Sunday night. I take multivitamins and stuff, i know that doesn't cut it. I guess I should change my habits....

[wetkissez]

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On 2004-01-18 19:47, sugarpie wrote:
I'm so glad there are perfect people in this world who have all the answers to everything.

Since some of them post on here, can I please know the reason for our existence...?




I know this is directed at me, you don't have to be a smartass. I was just voicing my opinion as you are doing. I don't claim to have all the answers or know everything, but I do happen to know about alot of things that some of you may not, and vice versa.

[cupcake65]

thats so true about soda..i never buy it we never had it growing up and i cant imagine why people think its okay to give to theyre small toddlers and children..to each hisd own